Nyogthaeblisz – Apocryphal Progenitors of Mankind’s Tribulation (SSP, 2012 [reissue])

There’s raw black metal… and then there’s Nyogthaeblisz.  The trio of Texas black metallers recently garnered quite a bit of press for being kicked off the bill of this year’s Chaos in Tejas fest, due to their affiliation with the Satanic Skinhead Propaganda label (who’s owner described the band as “anti-jew”), appearances on compilations with highly inflammatory titles such as Declaration of Anti-Semitic Terror and a penchant for dressing up like the black metal version of the KKK.  I cannot speak for their ridiculous fashion sense, and I most certainly don’t condone their abhorrent ideology (it seems pretty goddamn absurd that a band that’s supposedly of Hispanic descent would harbor such noxious beliefs), but I can speak for Nyogthaeblisz’s music, which is some the gnarliest black shit I’ve ever heard.

The trio’s entire discography to date has been compiled on this CD reissue of Apocryphal Progenitors of Mankind’s Tribulation (henceforth referred to as APoMT), a collection of songs(?) that makes Ildjarn and Striborg sound like the fucking Beatles.  The music here is beyond chaotic, whether by design or as a byproduct of severe instrumental ineptitude is anyone’s guess, while the production quality ranges from shitty to preposterously shitty; it’s like someone just set a boombox down in front of the band while they flailed away at their instruments in some dank basement, and then proceeded to bash it to bits with a sledgehammer as it recorded.

So why do I dig this disgusting noise?  Because in listening to APoMT, I get the distinct impression that what’s transpiring musically is indeed by design, rather than some bizarre fluke of amateurishness.  Black metal means many different things to many different people, but my personal interpretation of the genre has always been this:  black metal is the musical embodiment of primitivism, chaos, destruction and hate; Nyogthaeblisz’s approach encompasses this completely.  Surely something this putrid-sounding could only be the product of musicians determined to distill black metal into its purest form?

Indeed, black metal should be unpalatable, uncomfortable and alien; it should take us to those uneasy places that other forms of music can’t even fathom (save for harsh noise and power electronics, perhaps).  This is what Nyogthaeblisz are pushing at here.  Each song on APoMT is a mostly formless/free-form clusterfuck that probably has more in common sonically with mid-nineties Merzbow (Venereology, Pulse Demon, etc) than with other black metal, only occasionally becoming structured when the band sees fit to let off the gas and settle into a ramshackle doom riff.  The vocals are a distorted, spiteful screech that completely overloads the mix whenever they pop up, adding to the inhuman atmosphere.  There is a point where music becomes so extreme that some might argue it ceases being music all together, and Nyogthaeblisz fall squarely into this category with their ultra-corrosive approach to black metal.

Whether or not you agree with my interpretation of Nyogthaeblisz’s intent, it can’t be denied that the material that comprises APoMT is some of the noisiest, nastiest black metal ever put to tape, an aural assault that actually lives up to the genre’s promise of total annihilation.   If this is the sound of the apocalypse, we’re gonna need fucking earplugs.



The controversy surrounding Nyogthaeblisz’s inclusion and subsequent removal from Chaos in Tejas brings up a lot of questions about the state of the metal underground.  Where does one draw the line when it comes to tolerating “extreme” beliefs and behaviors?  How much freedom of speech is too much or not enough? Can we truly divorce ourselves from an artists beliefs and ideologies when we expose ourselves to their art?  I don’t believe there are any easy answers, but I have stated time and again here on THKD and elsewhere that it is important to expose ourselves to art that we might find uncomfortable or even offensive.  Where some will see a band like Nyogthaeblisz as black metal in its purest form, some will see them as offensive or confrontational, while others will see talentless crap, and others still will see some combination of these things, or something totally different all together.  The point is, we should always be willing to challenge ourselves with our consumption of art, no matter the ultimate outcome.  Art isn’t meant to be safe.


24 thoughts on “Nyogthaeblisz – Apocryphal Progenitors of Mankind’s Tribulation (SSP, 2012 [reissue])

  1. Lmfao @ you just had to add your disclaimer about their “abhorrent ideology” right before saying “Black Metal should be unpalatable, uncomfortable, and alien”.

    You’re such a fucking pussy, and maybe Black Metal just isn’t for all of you PC types. Black Metal isn’t going to change to suit your PC sensibilities, so perhaps just stop trying to co-opt it. This reminds me of one of the many Vice articles written about NSBM. You fucking hipster pussies want to love it so bad, but you’re absolutely terrified that you might appear racist.


    • Lmfao @ trolls who comment on posts three years after they’re published. It’s ok though, I can tell from your writing that you’re a little slow. It’s also very funny to me how the people who use the word “pussy” as an insult are the ones who’ve never actually seen a vagina in person. Does your mother know all this rage and frustration is brewing in her basement? She might want to consider getting you some professional help.

      And gosh, you’re so edgy, throwing around the word “hipster” in 2015. You’re right though, I don’t really like black metal at all… I’ve been fooling myself, listening to metal for over twenty years now, I better just stop before I throw anymore of my life away… In fact, I’m going to sell my music collection right now so it gets in the hands of trve kvlt black metal internet warriors like yourself and away from PC hipster wannabes like me. Thank you so much for helping me to realize the error of my ways! I owe you an eternal debt of gratitude.

      As for not wanting to appear racist, you’ve got me there, I can’t argue with that at all. Why would anyone want to appear racist? Please share more of your wisdom!


  2. fucking ridiculous..there is no such thing as a jewish race..it is a fallacy of history and biology and is just like the aryan race concept…you are a ignorant fool if you think judaism has no hate
    “A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.

    Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17 ”
    “The Feast of Tabernacles is the period when Israel triumphs over the other people of the world. That is why during this feast we seize the loulab and carry it as a
    trophy to show that we have conquered all other peoples, known as “populace”…
    Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b”
    “When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be
    ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it.
    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156”
    “If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth.
    Choschen Hamm 388, 15”
    “Happy will be the lost of Israel, whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has chosen from amongst the Goyim, of whom the Scriptures say: “Their work is but vanity, it is an illusion at which we must laugh; they will all perish when God visits them in His wrath.” At the moment when the Holy One, blessed be He, will exterminate all the Goyim of the world, Israel alone will subsist, even as it is written: “The Lord alone will appear great on that day!…
    Zohar, Vayshlah 177b”
    “R. Hanina said: If a heathen smites a Jew, he is worthy of death; for it is written, And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he
    slew the Egyptian. [Ex. 2:12] R. Hanina also said: He who smites an Israelite on the jaw, is as though he had thus assaulted the Divine Presence; for it is written, one who smiteth man [i.e. an Israelite] attacketh the Holy One.”

    Everyone who sheds the blood of the impious [non-Jews] is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God.

    Yalkut 245c”

    Everyone who sheds the blood of the impious [non-Jews] is as acceptable to God
    as he who offers a sacrifice to God.
    Yalkut 245c”
    “A boy-goy after nine years and one day old, and a girl after three years and one day old, are considered filthy.

    Pereferkowicz, Talmud t.v., p. 1
    need i really go on any more?..so please forgive me if i have no sympathies whatsoever for “gods chosen race”


  3. This Reply thread is why Threads need to be regulated. WHO CARES? Comment that you liked the band or review. This is not an ethics class or philosphy session.


  4. Wow! It would be pretty awesome if an anti-Islamic Christian metal act were to exist because then we’d have something else to debate over constantly.

    I’m like you in that I don’t get offended easily. But I also recognize that’s white males are probably the most difficult group to offend. Therefore, it’s pretty easy to be laid back about what perspectives we allow to enter into our entertainment. So, we white dudes kind of have to go out of our way to care about this stuff. On one hand I’m not personally offended by racism against another group, but on the other, I really do feel upset when someone expresses a racist ideology. Is that being personally offended? I dunno.

    Anyway, I’m glad you can see the distinction I’ve spilled so much digital ink on explaining. In my next life (this gives me an idea… how about an anti-Hindu band?) I will be succinct.


  5. FMA – I don’t know if I would identify myself as anti-Christian. It’s pretty weird to be labeled that way. I’m not a hardcore black metaler. The reason I’m arguing with stonewall so fiercely is because I think what I am saying simply make logical sense. It helps that I’m somewhat sympathetic to the anti-Christian message delivered by many black metal bands. That doesn’t mean I’m confederate with their type. Just sympathetic.

    ZD – “But why is an eliminationist ideology qualitatively more objectionable than an ideology that endorses and perpetuates oppression and violence—like, say, misogyny?”

    This comparison is much more interesting using anti-semitism and misogyny than it is when comparing anti-semitism to Christian blasphemy. I agree that both anti-semitism and misogyny are reprehensible. If there were a band who were truly committed to the tenants of misogyny the way many bands are committed to racism, I would be very troubled by it. Cannibal Corpse is not that band. They sing poorly written lyrics describing some of the basest human fantasies. I just can’t believe that anyone takes that stuff seriously. Least of all the band itself. Let me revisit what I said to stonewall:

    “Grouping Cannibal Corpse with Burzum is tantamount to grouping Hershell Gordon Lewis’ Blood Feast with Goebbles’ and Hipplers’ The Eternal Jew.”

    Maybe I’m more concerned about the Islamic extremist threat than I am your proposed Jewish extremist threat because I’m an American and I’m mostly thinking about the American situation and my own local interests. Whether I like it or not, Israel is allied with the USA. I don’t claim to understand all of the reasons why. When I look at the situation in “The Holy Land” I can’t help but side with the Palestinians. That doesn’t mean I hate Jews. I just think they have a corrupt government the same way the US does. It makes sense we would be in bed together. But as for Jews on American soil, they aren’t blowing shit up and ramming their religion down my throat, so I figure I can handle living side-by-side with them. Also, with the exception of a few extremists, Muslims aren’t doing that either. However, I think their religion is probably just as dangerous as Christianity and is probably deserving of some strong attacks. I think there are far fewer black metal bands doing that because it’s dangerous. The nice thing about attacking Christians is that they don’t try to kill you. I respect Trey Parker and Matt Stone for going after Islam. That was some ballsy shit right there. If I had any musical talent and/or drive and balls the size of cantaloupes, I’d probably form an anti-Islam (notice I didn’t say Arab) band.

    Clearly, Muslims have a different take on Jews than I do. To me, their perpetual war with one another is based upon thousands of years of mostly religious tension. As an atheist, I look at that situation and just wish God could be removed from the whole thing and see if things could be worked out. (I’m starting to talk like John Lennon now) Therefore, the idea of blaspheming the gods of all of those religions is very appealing to me.


    • If I ever got into making music, I would definitely make a vehemently anti-Islamic band. It would come from a Christian perspective though, and I think that would be pretty obvious. It would be curious to see how the average metalhead would respond to that. “I like the anti-Islam, but I don’t like the pro-Christianity.” Or maybe it would be, “WTF?” I would do this for much of the same reasons you posit that anti-Christian metal is made.

      Now, do I think it’s right to do this? I don’t know. Art doesn’t have to be right. My point in all of the discussions I’ve had with you on the topic of anti-Christian metal and racist metal is that it’s silly to draw the line on one, but not the other, with the exception of a situation where it’s personally offensive to you and it makes you uncomfortable. I can see why a black person would not listen to Arghoslent, but I could also see how they might listen to them anyway. I would listen to an all-black band that hates white people, if they made good music. But to contrast with that, I don’t see how a white, non-Christian person can draw the line against any of these kinds of offensive music if they’re not personally offensive. It’s like saying that you support only certain kinds of discrimination. Yes, yes, I still understand the race/religion distinction, and in some cases it makes sense, but it’s largely faulty because people who really hate religion rarely are able to keep from hating the religious.


  6. Miskatonic, you seem to be arguing that anti-Semitism is more objectionable than other hateful ideologies because anti-Semitism is racism and racism is essentially eliminationist. But why is an eliminationist ideology qualitatively more objectionable than an ideology that endorses and perpetuates oppression and violence—like, say, misogyny? I don’t think a simple comparison can be made between millennia of domination and half a decade of genocide—which is not to say, of course, that the Holocaust is the only crime that’s been committed against the Jews—but surely both are black marks on the human spirit.

    As for the claim that Islam has contributed more to oppression than Judaism, I don’t think a simple comparison can be made there either. A significant minority of Jews support misogyny and racism for religious reasons, and a much larger portion support the oppression and murder of Arabs and Muslims for religious and nonreligious reasons.

    As for why anti-Semitism in metal is generally met with horror while misogyny and anti-Christianism and generally met with indifference, I think it has something to do with the fact that anti-Semitism has manifested itself in a much more overt and undeniable form over the past half century than misogyny and other oppressive ideologies. I also think it has something to do with the fact that right-wingers have conflated criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism and generally inflated the incidence and the danger of anti-Semitism—which is not, of course to say that anti-Semitism no longer exists or is no longer dangerous.


  7. I can understand and appreciate the distinction you make between race and religion. I can also understand and appreciate your reasons for endorsing and embracing anti-Christian bands because you are anti-Christianity (this is the first time I’ve known you to admit to that, and it results in your position making a lot more sense).

    However, I have to call you out on your position on burning churches. The idea that it might be OK to burn a church because power is distributed unequally is only a few steps removed from the ideology that Al Qaeda uses to justify its tactics. I agree that in some cases rebellion is the right answer–Libya is a recent example–but seriously, that is so far removed from Norway and its Christian church.


  8. “My decrying an ideology is just a degree of separation away from decrying the adherents of that ideology.”

    I completely disagree with this. I was a hardcore Mormon for most of my life because my family are all hardcore Mormons. I’ve left the faith while continuing to love them. I am most certainly NOT a degree away from decrying them. This is an “over simplification” which only serves to strengthen the point you’re so desperately trying to make. You have a way of over simplifying.

    Sure, you can use the hippy/Jesus/Lennon approach and claim that all hate is bad and that love will solve our problems. Sure, love would solve our problems if you could count on everyone loving all people all the time. I think the world has shown that this is not something we can count on. I don’t mean to belittle your point-of-view in saying this, because a big part of me thinks that way. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavor to live with that ethos. But to me, the world just doesn’t work that way. By nature, I’m a live-and-let-live sort of guy. I’m not the guy who’s going to go around attacking Christians because I believe their way of life is encroaching on mine. A part of me aspires to that. What I do respect are people who do put themselves out there through activism. I also think it’s important to break the law in order to accomplish anything. America never would have been formed if someone hadn’t broken the law. Civil rights never would have advanced if someone hadn’t broken the law. etc. Christianity holds way too much sway in western politics. They don’t seem to get that there are other perspectives to consider, and since they have so much power, the political system gives them the advantage, every time. Therefore, other methods of social change are needed.

    “It’d be like if I burned your house down as an act of reclamation of land that was originally stolen from Native American tribes.”

    You’re right. It’s exactly like this. That doesn’t mean I support someone who does it. But I do think that sort of action makes some level of sense. I can see the place it’s coming from, just like burning converted Christian churches. Still, an act like that is not the same thing as murder.

    I haven’t made twisted or contrived arguments. I listen to anti-Christian bands because I believe Christianity needs to be taken down a notch. I find it enjoyable to blaspheme the Christian God because I see that God as a symbol of their tyranny. That does not mean I support physical attacks on Christians. Most of them are only doing what they think is right and certainly don’t deserve that kind of retaliation. My hope is that an attack on their important symbols will shake them a little from their brainwashed state. That’s what happened in my case. Black metal awakened me.

    I do not listen to anti-Jew bands because they engender a hatred towards a race. It would be the same as listening to an anti-black band, to me. I’m not a racist, so why would I support a racist band? I would probably support a band who had racist members as long as racism were not the point of the band. Many NSBM bands exist to promote racism. Those are the type I would avoid. From what I understand, Grand Belial’s Key are anti-Judeaochristian. I could support a band that attacked the Jewish religion. I have no problem with that. It would be less likely for me to do that simply because that is not an issue near and dear to my heart. The Jewish faith has not exactly been a big presence in my culture (I’m from Utah. We have fewer Jews than blacks here). I feel no need to attack the Jewish faith because it has not been a personally oppressive force in my life. I’m much more likely to want to attack Islam, even though it has not been a personally oppressive force, but because it has been a much more oppressive force in so many people’s lives.

    Grouping Cannibal Corpse with Burzum is tantamount to grouping Hershell Gordon Lewis’ Blood Feast with Goebbles’ and Hipplers’ The Eternal Jew. Fucking ridiculous.


  9. Serbian Maniac brings up the important distinction in regards to Semites (an ethnicity) and Jews (a community of believers). For better or worse, however, the two are conflated in American English, so Im going to keep using anti-Semitism to refer to discrimination towards both categories.

    Hate is hate. There is no “over simplification” when comparing vitriolic words of one agent to vitriolic words of another, regardless of the target. And again, the specific target is irrelevant. The base emotion still exists. My decrying an ideology is just a degree of separation away from decrying the adherents of that ideology. Its kind of like replacing “damn” with “dang.” The sentiment is the same, and everyone knows that “dang” is really a place holder for “damn” (which is why you dont see too many people above the age of 13 saying “dang,” “shucks,” etc.). So when a church gets burned, no one may have gotten hurt, but it is not a huge inference to see that as a personal threat. And for many people, burning down a church is a very personal attack. Some people spend huge portions of their lives in churches, have family histories centered around certain churches, etc. Now imagine that someone burned that church down as an act of “reclamation” or “retaliation.” It’d be pretty cynical to claim that it wasn’t a personal attack. It’d be like if I burned your house down as an act of reclamation of land that was originally stolen from Native American tribes. Ideas don’t exist in a vacuum.

    Hate is hate is hate. They are the same. You can use whatever semantic gymnastics you’d like to split hairs between iconoclasm and direct harm towards a person, but both are still violence, and both still have the same mental affect on the target population (why do you think most imperial armies of yore would destroy/control almost immediately upon invading important religious centers?). Im not trying to tell you that since you listen to anti-Christian BM, that you therefore must also listen to anti-Semitic BM. If for whatever reason you’re more comfortable supporting bands with certain lyrical themes than others, thats totally fine. But you do need to realize that you hold a certain cognitive bias. I personally found it easier to take that dissonance to its extremes and listen to everything than make twisted and contrived arguments about why listening to Emperor, Mayhem, or Cannibal Corpse is ok, but listening to Grand Belial’s Key or XXX Maniak is a no-no.


    • My line is generally that I won’t listen to anyone who’s committed a criminal act in furtherance of their abhorrent ideology. So, Emperor and Burzum are out. I also won’t listen to anyone who makes it impossible to ignore their ideology, but there are very, very few of those.


  10. Wow, I just stumbled across this discussion already in place, and it looks almost like stonewall is me. Nice to see I’m not the only person who thinks that way.

    Miskatonic, the point he’s making is that, as far as black metal goes, it’s the anti-Christian beliefs that have been acted upon (as well as the anti-gay, but that’s beside the point here), and it’s the actions that are important. Also, you are once again making assumptions about the “real” motives of anti-Christian black metallers.

    My theory about antisemitism/racism in metal is that, for the most part, these bands choose it because it’s the last thing that’s still considered controversial, not because they actually buy into it. Sure, there are probably some, but I don’t think it’s many.

    Anyway, from the production description here, I think I’ll pass on this one. But that picture of them in the black KKK outfits is hilarious.


  11. Judaism=religion of jews.Antijudaism is cool.Antisemitism is shit.Semits(jews,arabs+many others) is race.Pelestinians are semits.I have friends jews that spit on judaism.Same as antichristianity.Listen to Tsorer and Sonne Adam,Great bands from Israel.Hail Sathan,he,he!ovanovic


  12. Your argument seems to hinge on the idea that anti-semitism is commensurate with anti-christianity, misogyny, racism and violent depiction. Is that correct?

    My argument hinges on the idea that those things are not the same.

    Anti-Christianity in black metal seems to mostly rely on iconoclasm. Mostly, your seeing attacks on Christianity through blasphemy. Any physical attacks alluded to so far were overstated because, as far as I know, no Christians have been hurt/killed by a black metaler. Homosexuals have been killed, but that’s hardly an attack on Christianity. Churches have been burned, but these were considered acts of retaliation or even reclamation and can not be considered attempted murder. Most of these types of attacks seems to be against Christian symbolism, not people. In fact, black metal is more than happy to accept converts into their fold. Satan is not in the business of killing His opponent, rather he wishes to seduce them to His way of thinking.

    Anti-Semitism in black metal seems to eschew religion and go straight for the race. Racists don’t accept converts. They believe their race to be superior to others and are often willing to prove that by going to war.

    I think your argument is flawed in a major way because you seem to insist on over-simplifying the things you’re comparing. The things you are comparing are not the same. They Are Not The Same. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME!!!.

    Many have formed arguments against most of the attitudes present in metal. Maybe I’ve used too many justifications for giving them a pass. I dunno. I’ll tell you this, though, I know where to draw the line between fantasy and reality, and that line falls somewhere close to racist ideals.


  13. All fair points. There IS a big difference between physical and verbal attack. And guess what? All the physical attacks that get talked about are from the anti-Christian BM camp on Christian communities (and I guess homosexuals as well, based on your previous post). That doesn’t mean that anti-Semitic BMers haven’t also been involved in hate crimes, but after a quick investigation of some of the bands mentioned above, it appears none of them have been directly involved in any such hate crimes (at least none have been tried for any). So we’re here condemning anti-Semitic lyrics, while ignoring anti-Christian lyrics that are, historically speaking, more likely to be acted upon.

    And this is where the distinction between “serious anti-Semitism and gory death metal lyrics” disappears. Since neither have been acted upon, we can’t really make a claim as to seriousness. “Fucked With a Knife” is a real fucked-up song. So is “Swill of the Knave.” But Cannibal Corpse doesn’t go around raping and murdering women, and Arghoslent doesn’t go around kidnapping Africans for slaves. Why do we give Cannibal Corpse/Prostitue Disfigurment/Aborted/etc. the benefit of the doubt that they’re just being campy and not serious, but condemn Arghoslent/Grand Belial’s Key/Nyogthaeblisz/etc. as serious racists? But then Burzum/Dissection/Emperor all get a pass because, even though they actually did act on their beliefs, they were somehow justified? There’s an enormous amount of cognitive dissonance going on in that argument.

    I think were straying from the important issue, though. Anti-Semitism is bad. Anti-Christianity is bad. Misogyny is bad. None of them are worse than any other, so if we’re getting upset about one in particular, we need to ask ourselves why we’re not getting upset about all of them. I personally have no problem separating the ‘art from the artist’ as it were, and think it’s pretty lame that this band got booted from the bill because some other band got mad (but apparently didn’t have a problem playing with bands called “The Boston Strangler,” “Gas Chamber,” or “Thomas Jefferson Slave Apartments”). But we cannot go around pretending that just because some band is more canonical, or their actions are more ‘justified,’ they are allowed to spew hate (that then becomes embodied) over some other band.


  14. Look. You’ve got some well structured arguments there. But I think the big hole in your point-of-view comes in the definition of attack. I’m sure you’ll agree there’s a big difference between attacking intellectually and physically. Most legal systems do, anyway. In fact, most clear thinking people actually highly value the discourse following intellectual attacks while they would decry a straight up physical attack.

    But, for the sake of argument, lets remove the whole racial aspect from this discussion and simply compare the two religions. Black metal, in many of it’s primal forms, was a direct response to the tyranny of Christianity. Proselytization is an extremely important aspect of almost all sects of Christianity. To be a good Christian, one must share the message with their neighbor. This has led to travesties such as the Crusades. But it has also engendered countless puritanical and oppressed upbringings. The bad personal experiences people have had due to the influence of Christianity has led to a direct, and very hateful backlash. Judaism hasn’t left the same kind of impression. Their religious practices aren’t nearly as confrontational as those of Christianity. Jews are usually much more left-leaning than Christians and they seem to do a better job of living and letting live (until it comes to their holy land, of course). Jews are less likely to feel affronted in the face of blasphemy. Black metal is much more suited to hitting Christians where it hurts… hating their God. Jews on the other hand, are still reeling from the holocaust and contemporary anti-semitism. Black metal can be used to shout hate at Jews. The difference is that you are not verbally attacking their god, you are threatening them with actual physical violence and death. Sure, Christians may be just as offended, but realistically, they’re not harmed in any physical way.

    I see a very big distinction between serious anti-semitism and gory death metal lyrics. Can you name any death metal bands who have seriously endorsed the actions described in their songs? On the other hand, I’m sure you could name countless black metal bands who have pointed to the seriousness of their lyrics and have, in some cases, even backed that up with action. It is interesting to note that it seems like black metallers themselves and homosexuals have lost more lives than Christians.


  15. This is the kind of thing I listen to and go ‘wow, that’s just amazing’ but never listen to it again… it’s just a little too formless, plus badly recorded music doesn’t live well with my tinnitus. But as you suggest, the best kind of black metal should feel like some sort of outsider art, and the added ‘frisson’ of the great taboo of Anti-semitism only adds to it (whether we’re prepared to admit this or not).

    Regarding the controversy, I reckon (with have no insight on the event other than reading the BV article) Chaos In Tejas had no problem with the band’s beliefs, even enjoyed the notoriety it brought them, but had to drop then when the headliner’s threatened to pull out.

    @ Stonewall – I certainly agree with you that anyone getting all offended by racism by some no-mark black metal band (“We shall overcome the ZOG with our bestial stylings of the black metal!”) should admit to the double standard of misogyny in metal which I find far more offensive – case in point, Prostitute Disfigurement headlined an all dayer in London yesterday and that name is so offensive it actually makes me angry. We all have our limits…


  16. I just dont see why ‘anti-christian’ black metal is ok, but then as soon as it becomes ‘anti-jew’ (or ‘anti-islam’ for that matter), it all the sudden becomes this awful, hateful thing that should not be tolerated. See also Grand Belial’s Key, Ayat.


    • I would say that anti-christian usually comes across as anti-christian religion, whereas anti-jew comes across as racism (and even the threat of extermination). In other words killing God is an attack on an idea whereas killing Jews is an attack on, well Jews. Don’t forget, Jews are both a religion and a race, unlike Christians. Sure, you could paint that as a double standard, but that’s a very tenuous argument.


      • I definitely understand the point you’re making, but the problem for me comes down to the fact that attacking an idea is essentially attacking all the adherents of that idea. Its not like these artists decry Christianity and then turn to their Christian neighbors and say, “I may think your entire worldview is idiotic and dangerous, but you’re chill.” No, instead they burn down their churches, which is a pretty direct attack on the community in general. Just because the traditional lyrical themes of standard black metal aren’t rooted in what we construe as NSBM does not make it any less hateful towards a particular community, nor does our modern tolerance of anti-Christianity make traditional BM lyrical themes any more worthy to condone.

        (Correct me if Im wrong here, but to my knowledge, the majority of overt hate acts committed within the BM community has been towards the Christian, not the Jewish population.)

        To be clear, I feel the same way about a lot of gore-oriented DM. Without getting into the obvious material of gore/porno grind, “mainstream” bands like Cannibal Corpse write lyrics that are just as hateful and violent to women as the aforementioned bands may be to Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Again, for better or worse, they get a pass because that kind of misogynistic attitude is deeply entrenched in our cultural zeitgeist.

        All this is not to say that anti-Semitism, anti-Christianity, or misogyny in metal is ok, but rather to point out that we, as metal fans give lots of hateful, violent themes a pass, but then get bent out of shape as soon as anti-Semitism enters the picture. I guess I would just like to see some consistency among the community when it comes to issues we are outraged by.

        TL;DR version: attacking an idea IS attacking a specific community; a lot of DM has the same lyrical tropes as BM; metal fans are selectively critical in accordance with cultural mores.


  17. So, I listened to the YouTube clip and I must say, that’s some nasty, NASTY recording quality. However, I’ve heard worse. Black Funeral is just terrible sounding. Somebody on Metal Archives said they sounded like pennies in a blender. Apt.


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